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Sujan
KANK Kwestions
Hi SEL, great job on KANK! Wanted to know:

(a) Is the dholak on Mitwa a loop? The teentaal with Tabla during interlude with Shankar's taan also sounds a loop. So do the "rolls".

(b) Mitwa: The Sarod and Santur sound like they were triggered samples. Were they done electronically? Sounds very nice.

(c) Mitwa: Did Karl Peters do all the bass for this song? Even the electronic bass parts?

(d) Mitwa: Was some electronic pitch correction applied to the main vocal? The part that seems most telling is "Ha yeh wohi hai, ha yeh wohi haaaiiii..."

(e) Rock'n Roll Soniye: The second interlude Piano part, were the notes time-quantized?

Would really appreciate your telling me as much as you can.

-Sujan

17 Jul 2006 19:40
Ehsaan
Kank
a) Is the dholak on Mitwa a loop? hi all the percussion on the song is live but we took the live samples and filtered them !!!

(b) Mitwa: The Sarod and Santur sound like they were triggered samples. Were they done electronically? yes those are samples played by shankar !!!

(c) Mitwa: Did Karl Peters do all the bass for this song? Even the electronic bass parts? The bass on Mitwaa is programmed.

(d) Mitwa: Was some electronic pitch correction applied to the main vocal? We have used antares auto tune but not to get that " cher " effect.

(e) Rock'n Roll Soniye: The second interlude Piano part, were the notes time-quantized? Yes that had to be quantized because of the speed of the notes. but they were not step written loy played the solo and then quantized it for it to sit in the groove correctly.

17 Jul 2006 20:08
jayswami
thats cool info
I dont have sarod samples, but i managed to program from preexisting rom sampls of the korg karma and get a similar sarod sound. Shankar has done an awesome job playing it , and its such a cool melody line too!!!

one more Q: whats the analog synth used on whers the party tonite?
I got a close enough sound on the korg MS2000.
I tried programming/sequencing the intro on propellerheads reason.. am almost there... :) how did u guys do it?
17 Jul 2006 21:37
Sujan
Korrections & Kwality
Ehsaan:

Just wondering; I'm a poor producer, and can't afford a sarod-player, or even decent sarod samples! But that's not true for SEL. So what made you opt to go with a sampled sound, rather than getting a session player to do it?

Also, Shafqat A. Ali is a classically-trained singer, and I doubt that his renditions would need pitch-correction. And the auto-tuning you've done is so subtle. So from a production stand-point, what necessitated the use of the Antares?

Just trying to learn some behind-the-desk workings, skills and decision-making...

-Sujan

17 Jul 2006 23:55
Ehsaan
Wheres the Synth
hi the synth on wheres the party is a combination of the access virus and the refx vanguard. i think loy added some sounds from the rob papens " blue " synth plug in.18 Jul 2006 03:48
Ehsaan
Korrections etc
hi shankar just jammed that part to present to karan so that the music section wouldnt stay blank. we tried to recreate the solo with a live play but he couldnt play it the way we wanted it. well i know that shafqat is a trained singer but we now as a rule of thumb do pitch correction on all voices as a prt of production. since most of the music is digitally created the tuning has to be bang on !!!! in the early days when it was all acoustic , tunings used to stray and so did the pitch but one could never tell !!18 Jul 2006 03:51
Sujan
Kool Korrections
Thanks, Ehsaan.

That kind of shows the mastery of Shankar, doesn't it?

Was pitch-correction applied to Sonu Nigam's voice on the title track?

-Sujan
18 Jul 2006 12:28
ehsaan
thanks for the inside info
I had wanted the access virus for a long time but never got it..
and now I just ordered the new Korg radiaS, analog synth. I played around with it in guitar center, and it was amazingly powerful and malleable. I could tweak it to get most of the sounds i wanted (pre sets are awesome too). I got good approximation of some cool SEL sounds too like the synth stuff that plays in the background of DCH title song.
20 Jul 2006 22:23
jayswami
oops
the last topic about buying radias Keyboard was me and not ehsaan... hehe sorry guys.. dont know what i was thinking20 Jul 2006 22:24
Ehsaan
pitch correction
hi sujam i missed your question. sonus take was almost perfect but we do run it through the software to ' sweeten ' it a bit !!! 24 Jul 2006 07:57
Ajay Naik
Indian Sounds
Hey Boss !!

By any chance you use the Swarplug VST for the Indian Sounds like Sarod, Santoor etc ?

The Sarod sound in Mitwaa sounded very similar to the one in Swarplug.

As usual, the more u listen to KANK, the more it gets over you.... its a nice relaxation, the music going on while u are working in office.

Regards,
AJ
26 Jul 2006 08:36
Ehsaan
Swar
hi yes u are right that is the swar plug in !!!26 Jul 2006 15:11
Sujan
Korus and Kords
Hey, Ehsaan, thanks for the response.

Another set of questions:

(1) On listening to the title track some more, I found that though the chorus-line's chord changes from F to Gm (with pads and piano treble), the bass keeps playing F. Why did you stick to F?

(2) The choir during the second interlude, was that synth/sample or a real one?

(3) Toward the end, Sonu N. sings "Tum ko bhi..", there's no bass. I would have thought the bass would resume once Alka Y. starts her part with "Ho raha.." but it resumes with her next words "Hai Juda". I feel that's a non-intuitive place to begin the bassline, somewhat. Why was that measure chosen to reiintroduce the bass?

-Sujan
27 Jul 2006 02:53
Ehsaan
Kank
hi sujan the bassline played F because it gave the melody a nice colour. the Gmin/F chord has a nice suspended sound to it. the chorus in the 2nd interlude is a combination of samples from the " symphony of voices cd rom " and live chorus. the bassline dropping out was first a mistake. the engineer had forgotten to copy the bass line to those parts on pro tools. on listening to it we decided that it actually sounded nice so we stuck to it. sometimes mistakes work 27 Jul 2006 03:39
Ehsaan
Kank
hi sujan the bassline played F because it gave the melody a nice colour. the Gmin/F chord has a nice suspended sound to it. the chorus in the 2nd interlude is a combination of samples from the " symphony of voices cd rom " and live chorus. the bassline dropping out was first a mistake. the engineer had forgotten to copy the bass line to those parts on pro tools. on listening to it we decided that it actually sounded nice so we stuck to it. sometimes mistakes work 27 Jul 2006 03:39
jayswami
you rock!
Ehsaan, you rock! The only other band i can think of which answers such questions and shares performance secrets and behind the scene stuff = Dream Theater.27 Jul 2006 04:16
Sujan
Komposition
Ehsaan, I heartily second Jayswami's sentiment that your candor means a lot to us. We really appreciate it.

Secondly, would you be interested in composing a song or two for a Bangladeshi movie?

And thirdly, want to share with you a composition of mine: let me know what you think. It is meant to be the theme for a TV magazine show in Dhaka; in the pilot stage currently.

http://www.shailasujan.com/music/Probasher_Janala.mp3

Sujan
27 Jul 2006 16:05
Ehsaan
composition
hi sujan yes we would like to compose for a bangla film !!! i heard your composition its nice nice chord changes too. what software do u use to sequence ?28 Jul 2006 03:12
Sujan
Software
Hi Ehsaan:

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

I use SONAR 2.0, coupled with an M-Audio USB audio interface, for everything - record, mix, master.

Another question: Did Navin play the oboe on the title-track. I hadn't noticed it the first few times, but it was lurking back there behind the recorder/irish-flute.

-Sujan
28 Jul 2006 04:34
Ehsaan
Oboe
hi no that was a sample from the miroslav vitous solo instrument collection. 28 Jul 2006 04:37
Sujan
Acoustic Guitar
Hi Ehsaan:

Do you have a preferred way of recording acoustic guitars? Using pickup, or mic'ing (if so, what mics)? Could you describe how you recorded the guitars on Tumhi Dekho Na?

-Sujan
31 Jul 2006 00:59
Ehsaan
Guitars
hi that was a acoustic electric guitar plugged straight into the board. we often mike up an acoustic too .31 Jul 2006 03:21
devashish
accoustic guitar
hi ehsaan.....u have recorded soo many songs and nearly everything is a hit .....but ....don you think you could record a song with just a guitar and say a violen....combination of these two really works out ....or just a guitar...like ARR did in rang de basanti with the songs like roobaroo and paathshaala....he mite not have used a violen but most part of the song is a good guitar strumming with simple chords....wouldn you like to compose something like that????31 Jul 2006 06:17
Ehsaan
Guitar
well jeene ke ishaare from phir milenge is pretty much guitar . if the film demands such a song we would happily do it !!!31 Jul 2006 08:23
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